Discussion � Joscelyn Paine, Borders

Greg Detre

1/3/01

 

Cliff, in psychological AI Box (University of Sussex)

evolving robots, Neuroethological manifesto

Harvey co-author

description of GAs and genes to code NNs

 

genes

number of neurons

number of connections/outputs

proportion that loop

standard deviation of distance

weighting � SD

mutation of genes???

rate of synaptic decay

Hebbian learning function/weight adjusting

rate of formation of new connections

proportion of inhibitory/excitatory connections

symmetricity

growth process

rule-following vagueness

proportion of input neurons (environment variable � non-gen)

 

how specify position absolutely with genes???

shape of body

 

interaction between higher level

 

how do you get genes to affect different areas of the network

split genes (mitosis) like a stretched jumbo jet

variable number of genes???

 

Karl Sims � genetic graphs

 

evolution to the power of evolution???

 

how change the number of inputs to a NN???

 

Julian Jaynes

consciousness emerges out of social hierarchy??? that you hear voices of even when you�re away from it???

cultures �/span> different types of consciousness???

has to be recently in history

why/how worldwide so fast??? not evolutionary???

e.g. children nowadays rewiring visually from TV and computers

if 1 person revives, forces their friends too

 

PROLOG � inductive learning instead of controller NN

 

mathematical patterns in Evoids???

 

localised neurotransmitters

specified by controller NN??? by genes

 

big NNs as comprising interconnected smaller NNs

 

isn't there a sort of fitness function operating for these smaller NNs to survive???

 

have we evolved the critical window for language learning � yes

children in India � surrounded by lots of languages

(depends how acoustically similar they are)

absolute pitch � babies have it, lose it at age 2 or 3

learn Chinese??? use it to learn the language sounds

 

how expand evolutionary space, because programmer has to specify the structure of the genes???

is our evolutionary space limited??? our genes only code for types of proteins � cannot build titanium cells, for instance???

can our genes act on themselves � y

but they can only really operate on the genetic mechanisms within a saltatory theory???

 

Hofstadter � gene viruses with different/incompatible code � we�re safe

need to change loads of processes, just to change the chemical in 1 base

requires a huge, simultaneous/circular jump

so we�re stuck with the transcription mechanism, from billions of years

 

what if the controller was to alter the genotype/phenotype relationship???

 

genes can either be a recipe or a map

 

what if the genes can code for the growth process itself???

need to actually grow each NN from scratch???

that growth is modified by/also affected input

 

how different are people�s brains???

how would you measure that???

 

grow from >1 neuron at once???

like an embryo � grow a bit, then split + develop separately

 

in a growing NN, how do the neurons find each other

pre-determined paths

 

if a connection dies, the two neurons move apart

neurons sense other nearby neurons and connect probabilistically

 

what problems should I feed it???

something you can calculate a fitness for

stimulus categorisation

coloured nouns, parts of speech, plurals, prime numbers, English past tense, doubles, divisible by 4 or 3, addition, face recognition

 

translational shifts, place coding

generalisation � or just association

 

represent words � word/N, normalised spelling letter/N, syllables binary number/N

 

how represent the number � rate of firing, finite APs

 

XOR problem

 

reward system??? +ve neuromodulator

 

output as < or > than specified rate